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post Apr 13 2010, 03:07 AM
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Nah the goal wouldn't be unrestricted internet, your at a lan..you can do all those things at home. If you really need to get on the net for facebook/msn/youtube and can't stand being away from it for 2 days then what's the point in coming, we would need quite a high capacity link to support 4/500 people and its not really feasible. If you however have something critical to check for email for example a cheap 3g option is your best bet since it would use very little of your quota, also having one then you can do whatever you want on it net related while still maintaining decent speeds.

A bigger pipe would probably allow for lighter restrictions for steam/active services yes, but not for online gaming. Really..again your at a lan convince the person next to you leeching to install a game and play it multiplayer with you! biggrin.gif If you like RTS games come find me and i'll play
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post Apr 13 2010, 09:27 AM
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Hi Guys.

Let me start by thanking each any every person for attending V16, It was probably our biggest achievement "415ish in the door + aushalo".

With a LAN this large it is sometimes easy to forget that not everyone is into the game YOU play.
So as an admin team it can get quite hard to plan around it.

What I would like to see and will be implementing is the following:
  • More Funcomps
  • Public servers up 24x7 (pretty much every game we have)
  • (hopefully) extra projectors and easier notifications
  • Lanner approved music for the even (I honestly think we need "something"
  • A Chillout area for lanners to play some console games/sit on a couch and relax
  • An area for gamestah to cast to people who want to listen (perhaps also the chillout area)


Regardless of all of these things, leeching will happen. No matter what we do at a network level people can transfer files. There is no longer a respawn hub (one of the players was hosting it at V16) and DC++ is no longer actively supported by the admin team "I turned down many peoples requests for help with DC++" But in the end, thats all we can do about it.

As wolfmother has made clear the admins are doing everything in their power to promote a gamer friendly atmosphere, however this is also a delicate balance. Respawn is in the unique position to attract both pro teams and casual players. We cannot ignore either, but we cannot pander to the will of either. This is where the idea of funcomps came from. We can always attract pro teams by bumping up prize money etc.
It is much harder to get a casual player to close his/her DC++ session, or his/her episode of house, to play a game.

  • We now have alot more casual gamers with limited technical knowledge, who require assistance installing/running games well
  • We need to get the casual/fun games to the players easier
  • We need to make it easier/fun to join in a major tournament (some sort of random team entry system?)
  • We need to take "Some" focus off competitive play (Funcomps and tournaments) and get back to basics (Just play some games biggrin.gif)


Trust me, the admin/gopher team are working hard to address all the issues you guys have raised about V16, we listen, and we learn smile.gif

Looking forward to seeing you all at V17

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post Apr 13 2010, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE (R4N @ Apr 13 2010, 09:27 AM) *
With a LAN this large it is sometimes easy to forget that not everyone is into the game YOU play.
So as an admin team it can get quite hard to plan around it.


What I've always thought would be a sweet idea is some kind of easy to read and ammend list of games up. Have a list/forum (but not quite) somewhere that people can just go 'add wc3 battleships game' and that will show up and people will know that people are playing it somewhere and maybe who to contact to get in on it. In addition you could have all the servers Respawn is running permanently listed so you don't have to open 5 different games up just to check what servers are running and if anyone is actually in them. Maybe an IRC type chat below it as well? So if someone was to open it up, they could see all the games currently going, add something if they wanted to or look at the chat to see if anyone is asking for players in a game they might want to play.

A lot of the time you might be after a game of something and so might other ppl but you'd never know to join up with each other. I think more gaming could be much encouraged by increasing the opportunity of people to play, and this a great way to do it.
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post Apr 13 2010, 11:16 AM
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Kale - I use a program called HLSW. It's a free program which, when you run in offline mode, shows any game servers running on the network at any point.
It haven't ever noticed it running any blizzard games, but all CoD servers, HLDM, CSS, BF games etc are shown on there. I'm pretty sure it was recommended in one of the forum posts a while back, but it's pretty useful to see which games have people in them.

As for my own comments, I would really like to see more gaming. V16 was the first time I tried to get a team together for the comps and we all had a lot of fun. It just kinda sucks that once our team was out of the CoD4 comp it was really hard to get a game going because no one wanted to play after that. Unless, of course, you went into the Gungame server, which had one of the teams in it, working together in a FFA match.. that seemed a little unfair, but it was the only server with peopl in it, so I didn't really have much of a choice.. any time I made my own server I never got more than about 3 or 4 people.. because it was so quiet, everyone left the server within 5 mins..
I know I can always just play online once I get home, but the LAN atmosphere is just so much more fun for gaming.

I said it in another thread, but I think it will be more appropriate here:
From where I was sitting, which was in that side room and right near the back, I could not hear any of the announcements. I had the notifier running the whole time with alerts on for all post but all that seemed to be on there was "Tron server is up for fun comp" and "Come collect pizza" which were good, but for serious comps they were, in my opinion, pretty useless..

I think all announcements should be posted on the notifier, we're all running it for a reason, remember smile.gif
Maybe at the start of each round, just post "team vs team - server #". I didn't find out until half way through round 1 that my team had a bye.. We were all wondering if we had missed out on being in the comp.
It all worked out eventually, but I think better use of the notifier will help things be more organised. But that's just my opinion happy.gif
Other than that, I had a great time! Coming to Respawn is something I always enjoy, and I guess the negative comments are just to try and see if I can help improve anything smile.gif

EDIT: What's the chance of Respawn investing in a coffee machine? McDonalds makes horrible coffee and I think if admins served coffe for say $2, they would easily make about $30 from me.. I love my coffee biggrin.gif
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post Apr 13 2010, 11:24 AM
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All of the CSS people need to shut up. They just make themselves sound like douchebags. The people who aren't playing don't care if you get a head shot. So shut up.
Their abuse ruined the atmosphere at times.
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post Apr 13 2010, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE (SirSquidness @ Apr 12 2010, 09:28 PM) *
QUOTE (Alioth @ Apr 12 2010, 09:09 PM) *
I wanted me some Plain Sight LAN action but it was not too be. Too late of a release for it to get recognised sad.gif
Glorious game though.


Me too, dude. Me too.

Pity I only got it the night before, and didn't get a chance to analyse it and figure out the ports we need - there's no documentation on their site about it sad.gif

Next event!


I got it the night before, heaps of fun. Would be great to get this going for next 'spawn biggrin.gif

For anyone interested in having a game, nick alert me on #respawn IRC channel.


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QUOTE (R4N @ Apr 13 2010, 09:27 AM) *
With a LAN this large it is sometimes easy to forget that not everyone is into the game YOU play.
So as an admin team it can get quite hard to plan around it.


What I've always thought would be a sweet idea is some kind of easy to read and ammend list of games up. Have a list/forum (but not quite) somewhere that people can just go 'add wc3 battleships game' and that will show up and people will know that people are playing it somewhere and maybe who to contact to get in on it. In addition you could have all the servers Respawn is running permanently listed so you don't have to open 5 different games up just to check what servers are running and if anyone is actually in them. Maybe an IRC type chat below it as well? So if someone was to open it up, they could see all the games currently going, add something if they wanted to or look at the chat to see if anyone is asking for players in a game they might want to play.

A lot of the time you might be after a game of something and so might other ppl but you'd never know to join up with each other. I think more gaming could be much encouraged by increasing the opportunity of people to play, and this a great way to do it.


I was thinking the same thing. Forums are okay, but they're slow to update and not checked often enough. Maybe an extra tab on the website, where players can put up servers that they're running or ask for servers to be put up for certain games. It's kind of sad that most of this sort of chat happens in the DC atm...

AFAIK, there is still an irc server running at the event, so if more people were aware of it it would be a great way to advertise/ask what games are being played. You could talk about it there, and change your nick depending on what you were playing, eg.
Maelstrom|Tron or Maelstrom|AOE2

Not everyone is comfortable running and using and IRC client though, so maybe it needs website functionality.


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post Apr 13 2010, 11:37 AM
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I should encourage everyone to join the respawn steam group. Because then we would actually see who's playing what and when smile.gif


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post Apr 13 2010, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE (Maelstrom @ Apr 13 2010, 11:34 AM) *
Not everyone is comfortable running and using and IRC client though, so maybe it needs website functionality.


if your thinking of IRC at the lan, we already have an IRC applet in the EMS smile.gif


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Queen Gainer
post Apr 13 2010, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE (Finde @ Apr 13 2010, 11:24 AM) *
All of the CSS people need to shut up. They just make themselves sound like douchebags. The people who aren't playing don't care if you get a head shot. So shut up.
Their abuse ruined the atmosphere at times.


Because CSS is the only FPS game that was running. You have just proven that you have it out for people who might have different gaming taste to you. I heard people rage harder at playing Tron FFS.
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post Apr 13 2010, 12:02 PM
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Agreed Queenie, also take a moment to listen to the COD fags, much worse than us CSS Kids! They get violent D:


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post Apr 13 2010, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE (Wombie @ Apr 13 2010, 12:02 PM) *
Agreed Queenie, also take a moment to listen to the COD fags, much worse than us CSS Kids! They get violent D:

Yeah, I heard real threatening shit going on with that lot. :/
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post Apr 13 2010, 12:12 PM
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I yelled quite a bit... but that was only in COD and that was when my team of friends was vs'ing another team that was of my friends. I don't mean anything I say

Honestly this wasn't the best Respawn I attended, I can't quite figure it out why just yet. v15 was better and I can't seem to figure out what changed since v15. I mainly play Tron Flatout 2 and COD so I cannot really comment for the competitions. I don't think the admins are in the wrong though, it seems they are trying their best to make this as much enjoyable and such as possible.
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post Apr 13 2010, 12:54 PM
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Most around me were amused when I would rage randomly while playing CSS GG.

...Most kinda expect it. >_>
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QUOTE (Queen Gainer @ Apr 13 2010, 12:54 PM) *
Most around me were amused when I would rage randomly while playing CSS GG.

...Most kinda expect it. >_>


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QUOTE (R4N @ Apr 13 2010, 09:27 AM) *
Lanner approved music for the event (I honestly think we need "something")


No.

  • The venue is generally fairly noisy as it is
  • With the position of the PA speakers, its always going to be too loud for some and too quiet to hear for others
  • Someone will hate anything you play
  • People can listen to their own damn music



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post Apr 13 2010, 03:42 PM
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QUOTE (Redback @ Apr 13 2010, 01:19 PM) *
QUOTE (R4N @ Apr 13 2010, 09:27 AM) *
Lanner approved music for the event (I honestly think we need "something")


No.

  • The venue is generally fairly noisy as it is
  • With the position of the PA speakers, its always going to be too loud for some and too quiet to hear for others
  • Someone will hate anything you play
  • People can listen to their own damn music



Someone will hate anything we do, whenever we do it.
Its fairly simple imo to find an appropriate volume/EQ settings to please most of the lan.

However it might be better in the chillout area.


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post Apr 13 2010, 05:06 PM
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Yeah I know HSLW but it doesn't server everything, and I don't think it can be used as a chat client? It's the smaller games or the RTS games which are harder to see and that's why we really need a unified structure, not something that only services a part of the crowd. If you make it a text based kinda thing where the un-automated type stuff can be chucked up by people, then everyone can use and benefit from it.
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I'm definatly a fan of having a lounge area. Clearly needs to have rock band on projector.


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Where the poker is played is big enough for 3-4 couches and a projector type setup? smile.gif Whilst being easy enough to later push away for poker.
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QUOTE (Kommander_Kale @ Apr 13 2010, 05:06 PM) *
Yeah I know HSLW but it doesn't server everything,[...] It's the smaller games or the RTS games which are harder to see


Most RTS games are peer to peer, and are only joinable for a limited time in the lobby - It's not so easy to browse for them in this way.

QUOTE (Redback @ Apr 13 2010, 05:14 PM) *
I'm definatly a fan of having a lounge area. Clearly needs to have rock band on projector.


... I feel sorry for the people sitting near the lounge area.... tongue.gif


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