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Glasseater
post Jul 14 2010, 03:03 PM
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all the talk in the v17 feedback got me thinking about good RTS games.
what is everyones favourite?
Mine has to be starcraft just because it is so balanced while each race is still quite unique.
let the debate begin
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post Jul 19 2010, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE (TheTacoMan @ Jul 18 2010, 09:23 PM) *
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the commander has always ruined the ta series for me ive never liked the concept of a unit that takes out your base when it dies. i really liked zero hour but for me again its those rts that have weapons that rape from such a large distance away which makes them annoying as hell at times. So many many rts go for that weapon that is just so overpowered.I guess thats why i lean more towards the blizzard rts and the aoe series

The concept of the super weapon is designed around stopping a turtle. In CnC games it is particularly prevalent - If someone decides to turtle in their base past the initial rush stage, it becomes almost impossible to break a whole in their defence. You could argue that there are counters to this such as units that outrange defense structures (V3 rockets ect), but a good turtler can take care of those.

The super weapon has enough drawbacks (you have to tech up, it costs a lot of money AND it has a recharge time) to balance it in most of the games it exists in.

i understand why super weapons were introduced but i still dont like them as the counter for the turtle. there is a reason most games with super weapons never became as popular for competitions as games such as wc3 and sc. I think resource limits are a more effective way of controlling the turtle.
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post Jul 19 2010, 12:56 PM
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QUOTE (Glasseater @ Jul 19 2010, 12:01 PM) *
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QUOTE (Glasseater @ Jul 14 2010, 07:33 PM) *
the commander has always ruined the ta series for me ive never liked the concept of a unit that takes out your base when it dies. i really liked zero hour but for me again its those rts that have weapons that rape from such a large distance away which makes them annoying as hell at times. So many many rts go for that weapon that is just so overpowered.I guess thats why i lean more towards the blizzard rts and the aoe series

The concept of the super weapon is designed around stopping a turtle. In CnC games it is particularly prevalent - If someone decides to turtle in their base past the initial rush stage, it becomes almost impossible to break a whole in their defence. You could argue that there are counters to this such as units that outrange defense structures (V3 rockets ect), but a good turtler can take care of those.

The super weapon has enough drawbacks (you have to tech up, it costs a lot of money AND it has a recharge time) to balance it in most of the games it exists in.

i understand why super weapons were introduced but i still dont like them as the counter for the turtle. there is a reason most games with super weapons never became as popular for competitions as games such as wc3 and sc. I think resource limits are a more effective way of controlling the turtle.


Early strikes and sneak attacks are how i tackle turtles. I never build superweapons. Not only do they make you an instant target for various opponents, it doesnt suit how i play strategy games.


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- Glasseater   The RTS Debate   Jul 14 2010, 03:03 PM
- - R4N   1. Generals: zero hour 2. Red alert 2 3. Kanes wra...   Jul 14 2010, 05:05 PM
|- - Jeffy   QUOTE (R4N @ Jul 14 2010, 05:05 PM) 1. Ge...   Jul 20 2010, 02:49 PM
- - wolfmother   Starcraft is pretty good. CnC3/Kane's Wraith i...   Jul 14 2010, 05:51 PM
- - Glasseater   the commander has always ruined the ta series for ...   Jul 14 2010, 06:33 PM
|- - TheTacoMan   QUOTE (Glasseater @ Jul 14 2010, 07:33 PM...   Jul 18 2010, 09:23 PM
- - oohms   Total Annihilation is easily the best for me... bu...   Jul 14 2010, 10:11 PM
- - That Commander   Another vote for Total Annihilation. I understand...   Jul 16 2010, 07:42 PM
- - Rangers   I vote Counter Strike :3   Jul 17 2010, 02:19 PM
- - Glasseater   QUOTE (Rangers @ Jul 17 2010, 02:19 PM) I...   Jul 17 2010, 04:52 PM
- - TheTacoMan   Hmm, i'm a huge RTS fan, so this is a very har...   Jul 18 2010, 09:13 PM
- - R4N   Flame Tank the Turtle killer.   Jul 19 2010, 09:21 AM
||- - wolfmother   QUOTE (R4N @ Jul 19 2010, 12:56 PM) Early...   Jul 20 2010, 06:00 PM
|- - SirSquidness   QUOTE (Glasseater @ Jul 19 2010, 12:01 PM...   Jul 19 2010, 02:04 PM
- - Deka   AoE 2   Jul 19 2010, 05:29 PM
- - That Commander   I suppose I would play as a 'turtle', but ...   Jul 19 2010, 06:14 PM
- - Glasseater   QUOTE (SirSquidness @ Jul 19 2010, 02:04 ...   Jul 19 2010, 06:54 PM
- - Glasseater   QUOTE (Jeffy @ Jul 20 2010, 02:49 PM) QUO...   Jul 20 2010, 05:34 PM
- - Jeffy   Actually if you're talking CNC:ZH for a turtle...   Jul 21 2010, 12:32 AM
|- - R4N   QUOTE (Jeffy @ Jul 21 2010, 12:32 AM) GLA...   Jul 21 2010, 10:06 AM
|- - dead_man   QUOTE (Jeffy @ Jul 21 2010, 12:32 AM) Act...   Jul 22 2010, 03:10 PM
|- - Glasseater   QUOTE (dead_man @ Jul 22 2010, 03:10 PM) ...   Jul 22 2010, 04:40 PM
- - Glasseater   ya cant go wrong with a good old super weapon gene...   Jul 21 2010, 12:33 PM
|- - R4N   QUOTE (Glasseater @ Jul 21 2010, 12:33 PM...   Jul 21 2010, 02:08 PM
- - Jeffy   I remember when they released that CNC:ZH patch an...   Jul 21 2010, 12:42 PM
|- - R4N   QUOTE (Jeffy @ Jul 21 2010, 12:42 PM) I r...   Jul 21 2010, 02:07 PM
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- - Shub0xx   Is CnC 4 any good? Wanna know if it's worth aq...   Jul 22 2010, 01:26 AM
|- - wolfmother   QUOTE (Shub0xx @ Jul 22 2010, 01:26 AM) I...   Jul 22 2010, 12:14 PM
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- - Kitfox   Starcraft /thread   Aug 18 2010, 02:51 PM
- - Guni   GlassEater your a babe and you know it ;P i'd ...   Aug 27 2010, 06:50 PM
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