TF2 Competition Restrictions and Maps, What I think needs to change. Options

[the ned]

Last time the tf2 competition was a joke.

When you are able to run 5 engies as defence against only 5 people, it ruins the fun and competitiveness of the game.

I suggest that we run cevo class restrictions for the competition so that we avoid stupid situations like this again.

Cevo means that you can run:

2 soldiers
2 scouts
2 snipers
1 of every other class (pyro, demo, heavy, engy, medic, spy)

This will make the competition actually .... fair, but also possible to cap points / push the cart.

I would also like to see 5 point push/pull maps used rather than payload maps.

These would include cp_well, cp_granary, cp_badlands.

It would also be possible to run cp_gravelpit, but that tends to end up in a stalemate situation.

This is just my input, seeing as I play tf2 online actively in leagues.

But feel free to disagree with me, i'd like to hear your input.

[atticus]

Crits are terrible for tournament play imo for reasons you're clearly aware of, but if it's not a serious comp and people dig them, that's cool...I can understand why people find them fun. Using them to make the game go faster isn't a very good reason to enable them though, as skill gap games will roll quickly anyway and close games will just be less close since they can be won over a lucky crit instead of a smart play.

There is really no positive or interesting aspect to damage spread at all though. For those unaware, damage spread just means the same shot done at the same range with the same aim falls into a random range of damage instead of a specific amount (note: not to be confused with splash damage from rockets, stickies etc. which is integral to the game and not something you can turn off). Disabling it just makes the damage from something at a certain range constant when it's not a crit.
For example, with damage spread on, your full scattergun meatshot might do less damage than a half-hit half-miss shot another scout hits you with for no particular reason other than pure RNG luck for him, even though neither of you crit. It won't help the game run faster either since it can do less damage just as easily as more damage - it's actually mostly frustrating because some shots you'd expect to kill won't because you got a bad dice roll.

Dustbowl is fair of course, in fact perfectly so if you're scoring it correctly since both teams have the same opportunity. It's been dropped in competitive because most people just don't like it. If people at respawn do like it, there's no reason not to run it. It can be pretty anti-climactic though, so I would suggest you run it in an earlier round if you do.

[solse]

I don't really see the need for class restrictions, i mean, as others have already stated a good team will have a balanced class as there is no room for stacking in a 5v5 situation and if that occurs the team who does will probably loose as a result.

It's alot better to be able to change classes on the fly to adjust to the differing sceanarios that occur.

[TheTacoMan]

I don't really see the need for class restrictions, i mean, as others have already stated a good team will have a balanced class as there is no room for stacking in a 5v5 situation and if that occurs the team who does will probably loose as a result.

It's alot better to be able to change classes on the fly to adjust to the differing scenarios that occur.

You'll still be able to change classes on the fly with restrictions, just not able to stack a particular class for a particular situation (Scout rushes, or all engineer on defense are good examples of this). I still think a 2 class limit would be acceptable, as lets say one member of your team is playing spy and not doing too well, and you want to switch to spy to help him take out a particularly nasty sentry or something (there are other options for sentries, i know).

Thank you for explaining damage spread, i was a bit unsure myself what it was, and now that i have heard it does seem like a good idea to turn it off. I'm still in favor of crits, however, i feel they add a dynamic element to the game that makes it more exciting. I mean, sure, it sucks to walk out of spawn and get hit in the face with a crit scattergun shot, but man does it feel good to let loose a crit rawket into a group of unsuspecting players.

[Redact]

the issue of crits is as simple as this

is the tournament meant for lols and fun? crits on
or is the tournament meant to find out who's the better team? crits off

damage spread is pretty much a joke, its like crits, but instead it makes your guns weaker instead of stronger

pipes can do under 60 damage when hit directly with damage spread off, a meat shot can do under 60 as well, a scout can survive a head shot and there's plenty of other faults with damage spread off

crits on the other hand have more behind them, but personally I'm against them

class limits are a part of making the game balanced, if limits were never needed before because you need a "balanced" team to win, they would never have been concepted

its very easy for a team to stack 3 demos on a defense or stack other stupid amounts of classes
also having 1 medic limit allows the game to flow faster as people actually die and the medic becomes a lot more important

[the ned]

the issue of crits is as simple as this

is the tournament meant for lols and fun? crits on
or is the tournament meant to find out who's the better team? crits off

damage spread is pretty much a joke, its like crits, but instead it makes your guns weaker instead of stronger

pipes can do under 60 damage when hit directly with damage spread off, a meat shot can do under 60 as well, a scout can survive a head shot and there's plenty of other faults with damage spread off

crits on the other hand have more behind them, but personally I'm against them

class limits are a part of making the game balanced, if limits were never needed before because you need a "balanced" team to win, they would never have been concepted

its very easy for a team to stack 3 demos on a defense or stack other stupid amounts of classes
also having 1 medic limit allows the game to flow faster as people actually die and the medic becomes a lot more important

See this man knows what he's talking about, considering he is part of X5, one of the top div 1 clans.

Also will you be attending redact?

[Redact]

Also will you be attending redact?

yes ill be attending, atticus confirmed himself aswell and he should be there too
any confirmation on the exact rules yet? :x
or have i missed a post

btw maps other than granary/badlands/well are fine
gravelpit may be a little stalematey, but its the best attack/def map in tf2, and its a VERY solid map, so it should be included somewhere hopefully

dustbowl is acceptable, fastlane, hell even turbine, all of these get played in big leagues around the world, just turbine/dustbowl have the most glaring flaws

but if you want more maps in the rotation, then this could be good