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Posted by: TMM Jan 18 2009, 10:09 AM

OK, so i've been to Respawn v1, v2, v3, and now v10. I have been to lans for many years and i can honestly say i've only been to one (>100 player) lan that sucked more then respawn v10 did for me.

Games:
-Played CS Source, TF2, Flatout, and Trackmania which all seemed to have a decent amount of people playing at any one time.

Network/Power/EMS:
-Power was up throughout the time i was there, network seemed fast (although 3-4 of the ports on the switch at my table didn't work, until zardoz did something to the switch iirc?)

Comps:
-I entered the Flatout and Trackmania comps. The flatout comp was run very well imo.

-Trackmania was a shambles - no one even finished the track after a whole hour because the person who ran the comp (lord phobos) seemed more interested in 'showing off' his self made track then running a decent competition. Immediately as the server went up, literally everyone in the server expressed how much of a retarded choice the track was for a comp. Sort of like running a Counter-Strike competition on fy_iceworld. Well done, thanks for wasting an hour of our time.

Other:
-Some of the admins weren't approachable at all and didn't want anything to do with you when you had a problem/query.

-The person sitting in the admin area to Miniwalks' left went off at me for 'interrupting Miniwalks game' when i asked Miniwalks where i could find Deadman. I'm sorry but saying 'over there' and pointing is hardly an interruption. I have no idea if this guy is actually an admin or a 'friend of the admins' who thinks hes a fucking champ because he gets to sit in the admin area, but he was sitting in the admin area infront of a computer, that's good enough for me.

For the record, what this person said was "piss off can't you see he's playing a game" or something a long those lines. I am shocked that an admin would say such a thing to a player.
I pay $25 and drive 40 minutes to go to a lan and be helped by the LAN staff, not to be told to fuck off because you're too busy enjoying yourself.

-Tables were packed in too tightly, only made worse by idiot players who thought they could block a whole aisle for 4 hours while they had a chat.

Overall, i think respawn falls down in many aspects, and some of the staff have a lot to learn about 'customer service' from higher quality lans like 3xtremeLAN. They need to learn that they are running a lan, not a show-off power-tripping popularity competition. Yes admins, this means taht you may have to do hard work, play less games and help people out, omg no wai!

Personally i don't think i can be bothered to go to another Respawn ever again. It's too far away for me, the service sucks, the venue isn't anything special and for 150TB+ on the DC hub, there wasn't much quality content to be had, mostly junk. Also don't even get me started on how allowing NON-HASHED clients is ridiculous in this day and age.

edit:
To quote someone who may or may not have been involved with respawn lan in the past:

QUOTE
yeah.. it weirds me out that admins think they are allowed to play games... thats how shafted got shafted

theyve been to a lan.. helped run a lan but have no concept of business, customers, customer service etc... all the important stuff.. they are just really lucky that half the gamers dont care

Posted by: tass Jan 18 2009, 12:43 PM

I have to agree with some points that you have mentioned. I still will be coming to another respawn LAN. Had no problems with the network / speed. I found the admins to be helpfull except for the person organising the CoD4 tournament. For one it started very late. I am someone who is always on time so i expect that in others. Being late is a sign that you don't care. We had finished our second game by approx 10:30pm - 11:00pm. (the tournament was scheduled for 4:00pm. 6hrs for two games.... I did not eat dinner because i didn't want to delay the tournament and ruin everyone else's experience.

The other clans didnt seem to give a shit with no shows twice, which caused delays. The admin was too busy eating his sausages to give a shit about hassling the clans to get their shit together which is what an tournament organiser should be doing IMO. All this while i purposely held off eating for the sake of the tournament. Well i eventually did eat and did play my games but i will not bother entering another tournament if it is going to be like that, if the admins don't care why should we care?

Now you may not care if i don't enter another tournament, but as the above has mentioned its all about the customer service! See you next time and hopefully you can take what you have been told and turn it into something spectacular next event wink.gif



Posted by: neon Jan 18 2009, 06:59 PM

Not really being involved in many games (/shame) i cant comment much. I was going to play a FO2 comp, but it ran around 1 or something? i dunno, i went to bed though. Anyway, i dont see why your bitching about the admins, they deserve the right to play a few games here and there too... There are always gophers etc you can ask as well. Also, ask that sorta stuff on the DC hub - Dead man was left of centre stage on the admin desk, FYI.

In my experience, 3xtreme has never been run as well as respawn. With the exception of the last one, my experiences were : comps late, pizzas late, shit toilets (why would you run a 350 player event the same week they are refurbing the toilets and make us use 2 disabled toilets ya nubs), and shit power and network.
I think the admins, gophers, and all that helped out with respawn V10 deserve a huge round of applause. The event, from my view, ran extremely well. Whilst I am guilty of not gaming, there was plenty of gaming to be had.
Power was good (cept the nub with the kettle, onya miniwalks for publicly shaming the dick), and network was, as usual, Excellent. I wont comment on leech speeds, as the network isnt setup for that primarily, though speeds were rather awesome at some stages, I noticed there were minor hiccups and no games were interupted (except early with table of win fibre - gg to the guy who got down under my legs to place fibre without asking me to move...).

My only suggestion, would be use the projector more for announcement, and not silly pics. I missed the FO2 comp mainly cos i had headphones on and didnt hear announcements - though thats my own fault, as i didnt activly seek info... Since i spent most of the lan on DC, perhaps admins could investigate a DC bot for spamming comp times, and important announcements.

As for DC++ 306 etc... meh - most people know to hash their shit, but those who dont, 306 is fine. Its their own fault, when they find they cant leech from the high sharers, who all used 674 or higher, except a few. Anyway... not hard to run 2 clients if needed. I personally use 674 as its known to work with ALL clients, and i havent had any issues. Anyway, i dont think there is a need to govern the versions used... 306 provides a quick easy start for those who have never used it, and want to get it running quick.

Another minor thing to note as well, whilst i had a colorful argument with admins about banned equipment (UPS), I did not bring one, and completely agree with what the admins said about the banned equipment, but was disapointed to see at least one player with one. Also to the noob with the kettle, GTFO.

Anyway, Well done Respawn crew. You held yet another awesome event - with awesome decoration! Felt like i was in Quarantine!!! See you at V11.

Posted by: SLoV Jan 18 2009, 07:34 PM

seriously man how old are you ? like 14 grow up

do u think admin are their just to look after you every second of the event ? they are gamers like u me who ever, they come here to game
sure they each have set tasks , zardos on the networks mini on the power, me helpin mini even tho im not admin, sure u might have problems with one guy saying what ever he said at you, ( i dont know exactly what he said ) but basicly you are wording it as to say your an admin you shouldnt be playing any games? like wtf you go to any lan admins will be playing games, im sure you would to if u ran one, so just a little respect from both sides here, if hes busy wait a min or 2 theres no big rush.

lol you talk about customer service, do u want to run the lan and go thru all the hassels and head aches they do, yea they provide a service and a dam good one, sure they are not all trained to be the best customer service people they can be BUT WAIT NEWS FLASH they are GAMERS trying to bring people together to play against each other in friendly compitition, to have a laugh , joke around and talk, and offering you benifts of prizes etc,

maybe the tables are a bit packed i cant comment on that i dont do the layouts, only the power which went great with out any major hitches , except for the fool who decided to bring a kettel thats 2000w on a evenly loaded distrobution box which was calculated to give people ample POWER for their COMPUTERS!!!! lol

you complain about people blocking the isle standing chatting to their friends? i dunno about about you but most people i see there use their mouth, and say soemthing like hi guys / girls how are you going can you please move out of the way we are constainyl trying to get thru here? or if that fails then ask the admin ?

so maybe you should calm down and stop having a tearie cause one of the admins said some bad words to you.


i drive 45 min their too woop te do , extremem lan to me is even further away, and i think as well as many other that extreme lan has no where near a good atmosphere as respawn does.


i dont care if u get a grudge on me now after this , but u seem to like to have a flame about little hick ups so thought i might have one back at you , for trying to make something good ... seem bad...

Posted by: dead_man Jan 18 2009, 07:52 PM

QUOTE (tass @ Jan 18 2009, 01:43 PM) *
I have to agree with some points that you have mentioned. I still will be coming to another respawn LAN. Had no problems with the network / speed. I found the admins to be helpfull except for the person organising the CoD4 tournament. For one it started very late. I am someone who is always on time so i expect that in others. Being late is a sign that you don't care. We had finished our second game by approx 10:30pm - 11:00pm. (the tournament was scheduled for 4:00pm. 6hrs for two games.... I did not eat dinner because i didn't want to delay the tournament and ruin everyone else's experience.

The other clans didnt seem to give a shit with no shows twice, which caused delays. The admin was too busy eating his sausages to give a shit about hassling the clans to get their shit together which is what an tournament organiser should be doing IMO. All this while i purposely held off eating for the sake of the tournament. Well i eventually did eat and did play my games but i will not bother entering another tournament if it is going to be like that, if the admins don't care why should we care?

Now you may not care if i don't enter another tournament, but as the above has mentioned its all about the customer service! See you next time and hopefully you can take what you have been told and turn it into something spectacular next event wink.gif


unfortunatly with comps, sometimes things need to get delayed, matches going to long, some people without a team member, i dont think that any of the lans iv been to has had comps run on time all the time.

the guy running the COD4 comps tried his best to make it fair for all team in the interest of fair play. if their is anything that you think could have been done better or any suggestions for the comps please PM R4N and let him know.

in regards to the trackmania comp, that wasnt even run by any of the respawn team.

Posted by: TMM Jan 18 2009, 07:56 PM

QUOTE (SLoV @ Jan 18 2009, 10:34 PM) *
they are gamers like u me who ever, they come here to game
sure they each have set tasks , zardos on the networks mini on the power

Yeah i know, and those people did a wonderful job of said tasks. It seems some of the people in the admin area were just 'on the bandwagon for the ride' and used their privilege to power trip.

QUOTE (SLoV @ Jan 18 2009, 10:34 PM) *
your an admin you shouldnt be playing any games? like wtf you go to any lan admins will be playing games, im sure you would to if u ran one, so just a little respect from both sides here, if hes busy wait a min or 2 theres no big rush.

I was not in a rush, here's a text reenactment of the situation:
*TMM walks up to admin table
*admins peer up at TMM
TMM: hey guys, do you know where Deadman is?
Mini: he's seated over there *points*
TMM: oh ok
guy_next_to_mini: piss off can't you see he's playing a game! find deadman yourself etc
TMM: *rolleyes*

If they were busy then i have no problem with being told to come back in 2, 5, 10mins or an hour, but this was not the case. This guy just told me to get stuffed and even more amazingly, he went out of his way to do it after i had already got the answer to my question.

I have never ever heard such a rude comment from any admin of any other lan i've been to. At other lans, when an admin has been too busy or unable to answer a question they have always referred me to someone else that isn't.

QUOTE (SLoV @ Jan 18 2009, 10:34 PM) *
you complain about people blocking the isle standing chatting to their friends? i dunno about about you but most people i see there use their mouth, and say soemthing like hi guys / girls how are you going can you please move out of the way we are constainyl trying to get thru here? or if that fails then ask the admin ?

Yes, every time i needed to get through i'd say "excuse me" to which most of the time they'd respond by grunting (or not at all) and i'd have to push my way past them. It wasn't where there were people were sitting either, it was in the aisles running perpendicular at the end of the rows of tables. If they wanted to have a chat there is plenty of spaces around the hall out of the way of high traffic aisles where people can socialize. Or outside


QUOTE (SLoV @ Jan 18 2009, 10:34 PM) *
so maybe you should calm down and stop having a tearie cause one of the admins said some bad words to you.

But i didn't even provoke the guy, you'd be pissed too. If i'm not worth 5 seconds of their time then they aren't worth my $25 and 30 hours.

QUOTE (SLoV @ Jan 18 2009, 10:34 PM) *
i drive 45 min their too woop te do , extremem lan to me is even further away, and i think as well as many other that extreme lan has no where near a good atmosphere as respawn does.

If by atmosphere you mean playing silly videos on the projector, then yes i agree.


QUOTE (SLoV @ Jan 18 2009, 10:34 PM) *
i dont care if u get a grudge on me now after this , but u seem to like to have a flame about little hick ups so thought i might have one back at you , for trying to make something good ... seem bad...

No grudge taken smile.gif.

Posted by: tass Jan 18 2009, 07:59 PM

QUOTE (dead_man @ Jan 18 2009, 08:52 PM) *
, i dont think that any of the lans iv been to has had comps run on time all the time.



Well that could come down to my inexperience with comps at LAN's. It was the first time i have entered one. This is just how i felt coming out of it. Maybe i was expecting too much from people and have been let down by that.




Posted by: dead_man Jan 18 2009, 08:03 PM

thats ok mate,

we try to encourage the players to leave feedback so we can run a better event,

please keep it in a civil manner.

not much we could do in regards to room, respawn has been like that since i started attending, we increased the seating capacity for the community since we had almost 500 rego's

Posted by: neon Jan 18 2009, 08:07 PM

In light of the MASSIVE rego's for V10, the lan was run very well. the rows were tight, but thats what you have to do to fit 400 players in, i guess. Was worried about heat all week... but it ended up being very reasonable, i was quite comfortable in the hall.

Anyone have numbers for total players through the door?

Posted by: SLoV Jan 18 2009, 08:35 PM

well then what they guy said was stupid , you shouldhave jsut told him to stfu i wouldnt want to be talked like that i know, nar lol not just projector, i hardly look at it, just seems more fun bit better organised, i believe zardy wants to go thru seating anyway to re arrange it all so hopefully distances wont be an issuse anymore..


extreem gets pritty packed in , infact form memory big day it was tight on the space but u cant expect much when so many people want to come
you have ot try to fit them in


just seemed like you were bashing the whole even just cause what one fool said to you ....

Posted by: neon Jan 18 2009, 10:24 PM

Yawn... TMM... its one thing to give "negative feedback" here, but to spam on other forums about how crap it was, i think is uncalled for. You had a bad experience with one guy? was he an admin? Did you get his name? Was probably a regular player having a chat to miniwalks... oh noes, but the admins arent allowed to socialize! No no.. they spent all day friday setting up for the lan so that dicks like you can play your games and what not, and not have an ounce of respect for the ammount of effort that goes into setting an event of this size up - therefore, they arent allowed to rest, socialize or even play a game at their own fucking event....

Oh and also, in regards to the people socializing in walk ways. Its called a mouth. Use it. Not hard to ask for them to move so you can get by.

Seriously GTFO.

Again, well done respawn crew. Still #1.

Posted by: SirSquidness Jan 18 2009, 11:11 PM

As my first time at Respawn (and my first time at a LAN >50 people), my overall opinion is something along the lines of

EPIC.

I really enjoyed myself. It was well worth the mini-road trip with the couple of other guys from up here. All of the guys that I was with had a fantastic time, and will be back next LAN.

I had no problems with the layout or technical side of things. I found the space between tables adequate, power/network was great. The close-together-ness helped me meet a few new people. Seeing people have problems, seeing others next to me game, etc.

Gaming was quite good. I played plenty of games, had heaps of fun (even when I was failing miserably). I do agree the comps weren't on time. But having been in the organisers seat a few times (on a much smaller scale, mind you), I can completely relate and really don't think it's such a bad thing. There will always be problems/no-shows/etc no matter what you try to do.

The EMS needs a few tweaks (in my opinion). More information on said EMS would be desirable. But it still served it's purpose quite well.

Food was great. Not something I'm used to at a LAN. 'twas really good having hot food provided for you. Especially the chicken this morning.

All the people I talked to at the LAN were friendly and interesting. The admins I found to all be friendly and also seemed to know their shit well.

My biggest complaint, however, was the funny pictures. They were great the first one or two times. Then they got ... repetitive? tongue.gif Wait, no, I lie. My biggest complaint was my food choice for the weekend. but that's completely my fault, and in no way shape or form a reflection on the LAN. happy.gif

I have a number of other small things to comment on/suggestions to make/praise to give. Might write them up and send them to the/an admin later on. =)

-Squid

Posted by: eskymobob Jan 19 2009, 12:17 AM

Hopefully this topic wont turn into a flame war and people ragging on each other.

Feedback to the admins is always important so they can try and improve upon the next event, it has to be constructive though. I've been lanning for a long time now, Shafted 14 being my first event there but CPL Pacific LAN being one of my first large lans. The so called good ole days biggrin.gif

In all my time lanning the last 1.5 years of going to Respawn has been awesome, not saying it was better than Shafted but the quality and infrastructure provided are very good. I remember 500 people having CRT's in that hall and we were on 100 m/bit switches..

Power and network this lan were top notch with only one brownout from the kettle..

Comps while not running on time in some cases were good, much fun to be had. I got to participate in the all non-major drawcard ones, ie. anything that isn't DOTA or CS:S. Sometimes you just have to take things with a grain of salt.. the organisers of the "offical" comps with prizes or such do there best to make things work and it doesn't always go off without a hitch.

DC: This is not the admins responsibility, leeching stuff is up to the players.. we are here to game mainly. If you want to make a hub then go and do it and then get people to join it. But the program used is simple and easy for most people that's why we use it, cause at an event like that hashing fails. I remember the hub put up at the last extremelan.. not knowing till the event whether .306 or .674+ will be used.. i wanted to share all my HD movies/TV series that i have.. over 2 TB worth of stuff..i didn't even bother to hash stuff at the event cause log on..no one is sharing stuff except prehashed people who usually have slots full. I go to leech the stuff i want..and pulling from multiple clients was very FAIL half the stuff i got there was incomplete due to people leaving the hub then not returning.

Overall the LAN was run very well IMO knowing the effort the admin team go to putting on an event this size.

Thanks everyone who helped make it work well. I had a good time again, see you at the next event.

~esky


Posted by: eskymobob Jan 19 2009, 12:19 AM

oh yeah the food was great as always! thanks kat/spite/ whoever else for cooking stuff for us.

Posted by: dead_man Jan 19 2009, 07:50 AM

bob thanks for the comments.

ill talk to zardoz and see if next lan we can have a form or something for players on who to talk to for what and where they are sitting.

as always i hate seeing bad feeback in regards to respawn seeing as the huge effort that the guys put in for the LAN for the community.

over the whole weekend we will normally only get around 7 hours sleep (thats friday setup through to sunday packup)

a big thanks to Kat, Spite and Vortex_V for the BBQ work

Thanks to Miniwalks and SloV and all the people that helped them setup power which was pretty much uneventful the whole lan, (except for some nubs kettle)

we had alot let issues with network this lan than previous imho,

Plenty of comps ran and alot of people seemed to have fun doing so, FLATOUt2 seems to be getting moar players than ever

we will try and accomadate the needs of all players at the event but with 350+ ppl that can be fairly hard as you can imagin smile.gif

thanks to everyone for there patience in how the comps ran, we had a few minor set backs at some points but everything seemed to run very well


Posted by: afromonster06 Jan 19 2009, 09:29 AM

Well, I had an fantastic time. Congrats on a sweet event.

The awesome:
- Power
- Network
- Hub chat

The not so awesome:
- Old DC clients
- Trackmania comp. Phobos, your map is seriously awesome. However, it wasn't what I was expecting. And it was hard sad.gif

Also, it would nice for more large games. If the admins could just jump on the mic and say "Join <insert random game>" more throughout the LAN that would be sweet. I always enjoy these games biggrin.gif (HL2DM was awesome).


Posted by: xbox_girl Jan 19 2009, 11:51 AM

I actually have to agree with 90% of the comments on here. I completely enjoyed the lan! I got to put names to faces and the event itself was really well run. I was fully impressed! Even though I didn't stay the whole time (Syphon and I piked at about 1am) I'm definately looking forward to the next one..

Only One thing... Next Lan.. I'm defiantely bringing my xbox and PC... and the two games I WILL be playing will be guitar hero and WoW! lol WOO!!

Posted by: nato Jan 19 2009, 12:47 PM

I had a great time, catching up with a few people I hadn't met in RL before.

The final round of CSS was pretty intense, would have been nice to see a delayed sourceTV on the projector.

My only complaint would be dc++ and the the latest version being completely useless.

Posted by: neon Jan 19 2009, 01:27 PM

QUOTE (nato @ Jan 19 2009, 01:47 PM) *
My only complaint would be dc++ and the the latest version being completely useless.


Earlier versions are equally as useless. Ther will always be two sides to this argument. Those that hash, and those that dont. I personally will never run 306, as running over 10 TB on a non hashing client is suicide - high cpu usage, client lags, and other issues.

I think for V11, an official version should be named. I've had nothing but issues with 0.7xx, so im sticking to 0.674 as its worked for me for several years without issue. 306, 401 etc should be banned.

Posted by: SLoV Jan 19 2009, 02:41 PM

QUOTE (neon @ Jan 19 2009, 02:27 PM) *
QUOTE (nato @ Jan 19 2009, 01:47 PM) *
My only complaint would be dc++ and the the latest version being completely useless.


Earlier versions are equally as useless. Ther will always be two sides to this argument. Those that hash, and those that dont. I personally will never run 306, as running over 10 TB on a non hashing client is suicide - high cpu usage, client lags, and other issues.

I think for V11, an official version should be named. I've had nothing but issues with 0.7xx, so im sticking to 0.674 as its worked for me for several years without issue. 306, 401 etc should be banned.



agreed me and wookie use .674 no problems at all


1 thing tho


IF U WANT A SLOT GO UP THE THE PERSON AND ASK THEM!!!

lol dont jsut keep harrasing them with slot plz slot plz slot plz lollolol

i jsut ignore them i know wookie does most the time, you want slots make the effort to come up say hello and say hi can i have a slot, hell i might even add u to favs so u get pref over everyone else lol

**oh and next lan = even more better power biggrin.gif biggrin.gif !!! upgrades are in progress biggrin.gif

Posted by: R4N Jan 19 2009, 05:00 PM

QUOTE (nato @ Jan 19 2009, 01:47 PM) *
The final round of CSS was pretty intense, would have been nice to see a delayed sourceTV on the projector.


Thats one thing i will be working on for next event

I want every major comp with this capability to be shown on the projector, so we can see just how awesome some of these comps end up being

Being a comp organiser myself its always fun to see nailbiting close matches on CS:S COD or Flatout etc..

So ill be making that happen for events from now on biggrin.gif

R4N

Posted by: TMM Jan 19 2009, 05:41 PM

opps double post.

Posted by: TMM Jan 19 2009, 05:44 PM

QUOTE (SLoV @ Jan 19 2009, 04:41 PM) *
agreed me and wookie use .674 no problems at all

.674 works great, thats what i was using. But it would be so much better if non-hashing clients were banned, as 0.705+ makes good use of hashing with multi-client downloads. It breaks files into 'chunks' and then downloads different parts of the file from different people (like bit-torrent), which speeds things up enormously if the person you got the filelist from is doing 500KB/s and theres someone else with it that can do 30MB/s+. 0.705+ can't work with non-hashing clients.


QUOTE (neon @ Jan 19 2009, 12:24 AM) *
Was probably a regular player having a chat to miniwalks... oh noes, but the admins arent allowed to socialize!

If they were then they were doing the lan a nice favour by masquerading as an admin and abusing some player they didn't know. I know 3xtremeLAN is very strict about who is and who isn't allowed in the admin area for reasons like this...

Posted by: Sando Jan 19 2009, 07:51 PM

Keep it in mind that Respawn LAN is a non-profit organisation; all monies from player admission goes directly back into paying for the event. We don't get paid for running our events (crazy, I know).

Thanks for the feedback.

Posted by: lime Jan 19 2009, 09:04 PM

Dot points seem the easiest way to do this:

-Did the tf2 comp end up being ran? I left around midday on Sunday and there was no mention of it by then which is a pitty.
-As someone else suggested, some delayed spec cam, which stv supports, or a demo of the of the finals on the projector would have been really nice. Apart from the winners standing on the stage I really didn't know when x comp had finished or if was even a close game sad.gif
-Not really worth its own point but congrats to Zardos for winning the fail award on flatout 2 (i think >.>). Always good to see someone so happy about sucking laugh.gif
-DC ran like a sack of spuds for the majority of the time but I'm fairly sure that it was on my end. The network seemed fine otherwise.
-Power was fine. Was the kettle reclaimed or was it tossed later on?
-Seating was fine, it might have been a bit crowded if you were stuck in the middle of a row or on the wall.
-Temperature at the venue was fine, maybe a bit cold just before dawn but nothing a jumper couldn't fix.
-No idea on the food, learned my lesson after some bad shafted snags. Ditto with coffee and cold drinks minus the lesson.

Overall it was an slightly above average lan. I've been to better and probably to worse but I will make the trip again. Cheers.

Posted by: dead_man Jan 19 2009, 09:10 PM

QUOTE (lime @ Jan 19 2009, 10:04 PM) *
Dot points seem the easiest way to do this:

-Did the tf2 comp end up being ran? I left around midday on Sunday and there was no mention of it by then which is a pitty.
-As someone else suggested, some delayed spec cam, which stv supports, or a demo of the of the finals on the projector would have been really nice. Apart from the winners standing on the stage I really didn't know when x comp had finished or if was even a close game sad.gif
-Not really worth its own point but congrats to Zardos for winning the fail award on flatout 2 (i think >.>). Always good to see someone so happy about sucking laugh.gif
-DC ran like a sack of spuds for the majority of the time but I'm fairly sure that it was on my end. The network seemed fine otherwise.
-Power was fine. Was the kettle reclaimed or was it tossed later on?
-Seating was fine, it might have been a bit crowded if you were stuck in the middle of a row or on the wall.
-Temperature at the venue was fine, maybe a bit cold just before dawn but nothing a jumper couldn't fix.
-No idea on the food, learned my lesson after some bad shafted snags. Ditto with coffee and cold drinks minus the lesson.

Overall it was an slightly above average lan. I've been to better and probably to worse but I will make the trip again. Cheers.


TF2 didnt end up running unfortunatly due to reason outside of my control, i spoke to several players at the LAN some of who could and some couldnt run TF2 for some reason. apparantly an update of some sort (though this isnt mentioned on steam)

i had this issue of tf2 wanting to update even though it said it was updated 100% and copying over other people GCFs didnt help either.

Posted by: XECUTER Jan 19 2009, 09:31 PM

Guys this was my first ever proper lan. Had a fantastic time played alot of games.......biggest let down was my lack of hard drive space lol. It was a really well run event the network was insanely fast. DC++ was great except the later version, i was refferred to an older version and was sweeeeeet.

somebody really should have advised sleeping haha i regret not sleeping at all. It would be good if we had a dedicated direct link to the admins in a chat format for when we have issues with things like i couldnt get UT4 working and was too tired to find a tech lol

Also there should be a place to post requests for a game. like i wanted play command and conquer 3 and i put a post in the forum but it failed haha

Thanks for a great weekend guys i had a great time. Thanks to the organisers and the people that helped me out with issues i had.

Posted by: MiniWalks Jan 19 2009, 09:42 PM

In regards to DC++,

Please feel free to pm me on the #Respawn on irc.oz.org, i will be doing further tweaks to the hub to allow for only certain versions to be used, unfortunatly, i was one of the people using 306 (purely coz i couldnt get around to hashing, will be fixed for next tiem).

From me to my team on power,
A HUGE THANKYOU to all that helped me setup the gear, i was in minimal capacity this lan due to a recently torn shoudler, and needed all the help that i could get.
-Slov - Ithuriel
-Biltek - Goose10
-Andrew - DeadMan
-Glasseater - WolfMother

(If i have forgotten anyone who helped with power, let me know, and i will edit, and a pre-emptive apology)

From me to the other admins/gophers/volunteers,
I think that you guys and girls are fantastic, and without you the lan would struggle to be as awesome as it is. Names that i can remember
- Zardoz - Tank
- Katster - Vortex_V
- Blackjack - Sando
- Xitation - Spite
- The_Shadow - R4N
- Oohms - Hider
- Corona - Gyix

Again, if i have forgotton someone, refer to note above tongue.gif

As for TMM, i think that these comments are unfounded, i myself was sitting there, yes i was playing a game, but i do not recall such a tone or language being used, i am sorry if you had a bad experience, but i think that the effort that you have put into flaming respawn could be far better used in other areas of life.

As for the running of the lan,

Some comps are extremely hard to run, mainly the ones that involve "Listening Servers" as it requires the help/co-ordination of many more people.

Personally, power was the best i have seen at any big event, with only 3 total issues i know of, 2 due to simple user error, 1 due to a 2200W kettle. Of which none can be anticipated.

Posted by: dead_man Jan 19 2009, 09:43 PM

QUOTE (XECUTER @ Jan 19 2009, 10:31 PM) *
Guys this was my first ever proper lan. Had a fantastic time played alot of games.......biggest let down was my lack of hard drive space lol. It was a really well run event the network was insanely fast. DC++ was great except the later version, i was refferred to an older version and was sweeeeeet.

somebody really should have advised sleeping haha i regret not sleeping at all. It would be good if we had a dedicated direct link to the admins in a chat format for when we have issues with things like i couldnt get UT4 working and was too tired to find a tech lol

Also there should be a place to post requests for a game. like i wanted play command and conquer 3 and i put a post in the forum but it failed haha

Thanks for a great weekend guys i had a great time. Thanks to the organisers and the people that helped me out with issues i had.


good suggestion mate.

we normally put up a post on the forums for any game requests, however if there is anything you want run you can config the server and give it to me or R4N and we would be happy to host in for you. we have that much server power it aint funny

Posted by: SLoV Jan 19 2009, 09:43 PM

QUOTE (XECUTER @ Jan 19 2009, 10:31 PM) *
Guys this was my first ever proper lan. Had a fantastic time played alot of games.......biggest let down was my lack of hard drive space lol. It was a really well run event the network was insanely fast. DC++ was great except the later version, i was refferred to an older version and was sweeeeeet.

somebody really should have advised sleeping haha i regret not sleeping at all. It would be good if we had a dedicated direct link to the admins in a chat format for when we have issues with things like i couldnt get UT4 working and was too tired to find a tech lol

Also there should be a place to post requests for a game. like i wanted play command and conquer 3 and i put a post in the forum but it failed haha

Thanks for a great weekend guys i had a great time. Thanks to the organisers and the people that helped me out with issues i had.



people dont really check the forums lol

a mirc or something would be nice
or even a vent server so everyone can talk and say their stupid shit lol

but i suppose it would just fill up with randoms like dc chat lol

Posted by: dead_man Jan 19 2009, 09:49 PM

lol SloV

i will be running a proper teamspeak server next lan for random chat smile.gif

any spamming and cop a ban.


Posted by: SLoV Jan 19 2009, 09:53 PM

QUOTE (dead_man @ Jan 19 2009, 10:49 PM) *
lol SloV

i will be running a proper teamspeak server next lan for random chat smile.gif

any spamming and cop a ban.



i talked to zardos about bringin my projector for my sexbox360 for nex lan to set it up for some afk fun for the peoples but just shoooting ideas around but u already know that tongue.gif

banning lowwer and newer versions of dc be good just put a news update on main page if u do,

be nice if pings would open up again :(saves driving all the way outta the place to get foods sad.gif

Posted by: Tank Jan 19 2009, 09:59 PM

whats wrong with 0.306?! i had *no* issues and i dldd like 300gb tongue.gif (HEAPS for me ahah)

Posted by: dead_man Jan 19 2009, 10:00 PM

306 fails hard

Posted by: TMM Jan 19 2009, 10:01 PM

QUOTE (lime @ Jan 19 2009, 11:04 PM) *
-Did the tf2 comp end up being ran? I left around midday on Sunday and there was no mention of it by then which is a pitty

It was canned because there was a TF2 update released on steam early on during the lan, and peoples computers which did manage to get the update couldn't connect to the server (older version)

QUOTE (Tank @ Jan 19 2009, 11:59 PM) *
whats wrong with 0.306?! i had *no* issues and i dldd like 300gb tongue.gif (HEAPS for me ahah)

No hashing, which means if you download 99% of a file and then the user goes offline, there is no way of finding the same file from another person and getting the last 1%, you have to start over.

QUOTE (MiniWalks @ Jan 19 2009, 11:42 PM) *
As for TMM, i think that these comments are unfounded, i myself was sitting there, yes i was playing a game, but i do not recall such a tone or language being used, i am sorry if you had a bad experience, but i think that the effort that you have put into flaming respawn could be far better used in other areas of life.

Probably because you had your headphones on, who was the other guy anyway? I wasn't in the mood to argue with the guy, he wasn't worth a second of my time...

Posted by: xbox_girl Jan 19 2009, 10:17 PM

QUOTE (TMM @ Jan 19 2009, 11:01 PM) *
QUOTE (MiniWalks @ Jan 19 2009, 11:42 PM) *
As for TMM, i think that these comments are unfounded, i myself was sitting there, yes i was playing a game, but i do not recall such a tone or language being used, i am sorry if you had a bad experience, but i think that the effort that you have put into flaming respawn could be far better used in other areas of life.

Probably because you had your headphones on, who was the other guy anyway? I wasn't in the mood to argue with the guy, he wasn't worth a second of my time...


You seem like a tool sweet pea smile.gif

Posted by: WooKiE_MaN Jan 19 2009, 10:21 PM

TMM ill make this plain and simple

Your a nincompoop jackass

get over yourself, respawn owns and it always will, go back to extremelan......

The lan was 10/10, i never complain about any Respawn LAN as im gratefull to be apart off it as it takes alot of hard working people to get it up and running fantastic

Free slots for all of you, except for TMM

Posted by: MiniWalks Jan 19 2009, 10:22 PM

QUOTE (TMM @ Jan 19 2009, 11:01 PM) *
QUOTE (MiniWalks @ Jan 19 2009, 11:42 PM) *
As for TMM, i think that these comments are unfounded, i myself was sitting there, yes i was playing a game, but i do not recall such a tone or language being used, i am sorry if you had a bad experience, but i think that the effort that you have put into flaming respawn could be far better used in other areas of life.

Probably because you had your headphones on, who was the other guy anyway? I wasn't in the mood to argue with the guy, he wasn't worth a second of my time...


If that was the case, then how did i answer your question.....

Also, your comments re: 306 just reinforces the fact that you do not know what you are on about. Several times i have changed sources on a download and not have it fail the download.

Also, if the person "wasnt worth a second of your time" then why have you seen the need to begin a flame war ? Again just proving your immaturity.

This is the last of my 2c for this matter.

Posted by: neon Jan 19 2009, 11:05 PM

enough bitching!

Lan was aweosome, end of story, close thread biggrin.gif

MiniWalks, you did a fantastic job with the power dude. Apart from the nub with the kettle, it ran well. For the largest event run by respawn yet, you did a great job of distributing power! As requested, I didnt bring my UPS. Shouldn't have really bitched about it. It wasnt needed, the power in the venue is the best i've experienced at any lan party. There WAS someone with a UPS, and that person knows who he is... but it didnt appear to cause any issues. BTW MiniWalks, you're not a tard tongue.gif (late night, tired, annoyed. my bad)

All in all, A fantastic event. Will be there at V11. See you all there.

Posted by: WooKiE_MaN Jan 19 2009, 11:11 PM

QUOTE (neon @ Jan 20 2009, 12:05 AM) *
enough bitching!

There WAS someone with a UPS, and that person knows who he is... but it didnt appear to cause any issues.


Stop bitching Neon... tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

wink.gif

Think i might being a Portable oven next Respawn, as the the power should hold up ohmy.gif

Posted by: SirSquidness Jan 19 2009, 11:32 PM

QUOTE (dead_man @ Jan 19 2009, 10:10 PM) *
TF2 didnt end up running unfortunatly due to reason outside of my control, i spoke to several players at the LAN some of who could and some couldnt run TF2 for some reason. apparantly an update of some sort (though this isnt mentioned on steam)

i had this issue of tf2 wanting to update even though it said it was updated 100% and copying over other people GCFs didnt help either.


[offtopic]
for future reference if that happens... Grab the updated GCF files from someone. Get UCL. Set up UCL to run under your Steam username and to use your steam apps folder. Right click game, "Install Minimum files". That will extract the updated files out of the updated GCF files and place them in the game's folder. You could also do it the other way around.

I didn't see any TF2 update though. There was one on Tuesday though.
[/offtopic]

A few more small things I've thought of. Constructive criticisms. This post is bound to sound negative, but as per my previous post, it was an aboslutely epicly awesome LAN. But not perfect - there's no such thing as a perfect LAN (maybe when full VR comes along... biggrin.gif )
-Carpet squares across cables really need to have a little bit of tape on them. Almost all of them were completley off the cables they were covering by the end of the LAN. It's a bastard of a job to do when you're flat out and exhausted (been there, done that, drawn substantial blood from trying to do it too quickly), but it is a rather important one, especially when you're running fibre cables around which may get damaged by a high heel/wheelie chair, along with huge bunches of mains cables. Duct tape is cheap and effective.
-Perhaps have the projector cycling through various information when it's not being used for other stuff, such as upcoming comps, server info (what servers are running. If you can manage it, whcih ones are populated), any other major information (food at xPM, etc). I do really like the idea that was mentioned of spectating a competition. I think I saw Source: TV running on the CS: S server already? Not hard to set up for source servers, anyway. Then when nothing's happening, switch it to Tank's folder of 4000 funny images which he will bring next time tongue.gif
-Don't have a CS: S competition scheduled over 5 hours for just the qualifying rounds tongue.gif (a quick comp is a good comp. Perhaps a time limit of no more than an hour for any single competition, unless otherwise posted)
-Announcers should have an energy drink 15 minutes prior to announcing and/or presenting prizes. I do realise you've been working your arses off for the previous 30+ hours, but a few times people on staged looked/sound like they were about to fall asleep tongue.gif

If it's possible, some form of coloured lights around would be good. I think someone mentioned it in the IRC channel the night before the LAN. The hall already has stage lighting hung. That probably means there's spare lights around you could hang without screwing up their default lighting layout, and then add coloured gels in. I don't think it's worth paying for though., so only if you can get them off the hall for free already tongue.gif If you got some funky party lights, such as a colour changer / wave effect light / what not, it'd be even better.

Other good things I didn't mention last time.
-Awesome decorations. I loved the clear tarps hanging down from the mezanine. Very well done to whoever made them.
-Custard chugging and hard drive throwing were fantastic. It's always great to see half the hall participate in something, or at least go out and watch. I found it to be a great way to talk to randoms I'd never seen before, not to mention getting the vital vitamin D for which we're often starved tongue.gif It's a pity not as much enthusiasm was shown for the other AFK comps (I keep going to call them smacktard events like we call them up here... >.> )
-Flatout 2 comp was awesome. Again, I'd love to see more participation like that. Need to find a game that supports an epic amount of people in one server, then try and get as many people as possible in the game. Quake III was cool too. The second time ever I'd played the game, and I won. Perhaps a game mode that requires skill next time tongue.gif
-Complements to the check in chicks (and any guys that were doing it. There weren't any when I checked in though). I was expecting a few minute wait, minimum, when checking in. Instead, it was pretty much "Hi. I'm SirSquidness. 'sup?", handed them money, got the envelope, then done!


Perhaps next time along with the dog tags, a small badge or something to stick on the front of your PC/monitor. I, for one, am shit at remembering names, so I met a few people then forgot who they were while talking to them at their PC. I hung up the envelope that the dog tags came in on the front of my PC, and a few people said hi. One guy in particular initated a conversation with me on IRC becuase he was in the next row across and recognised the name from said envelope on my PC. It's just another small way to encourage people to mingle etc, which I reckon is the best part of LANing - meeting fellow nerds.

That's all from me for now.
Love,
-Sirsquidness
tongue.gif

Posted by: Nemesis Hill Jan 19 2009, 11:39 PM

hey, this was my 2nd lan, first Respawn lan, and I thought it was awesome and I'm pretty sure people don't say it enough but thank you very much! i had a good time

i found admins were good, they can't be perfect, and they are volunteers if i heard correctly so cut them some slack, the ladies in right side, they were helpful, Respawn did well in the food department, last lan i went to (Monsterlan in Nth Geelong) there pizza run and that was pretty much it, + drinks and chips that you could buy, but here they took could care, with free bbq, cooking sausages every couple hours is great, coffee and the fact that they got chicken, bacon and sausages for breakfast, its pretty sweet

just wish could get more ppl to play games, hl2dm was awesome fun, but didn't last long sadly, i think only thing that needs improving getting more ppl to play games and yes i understand can't play games all the time and by like 4am, most ppl are just argh can't play games, i understand that, i got to the point where i just couldn't game anymore, but like at 6,7pm everyone i personally think should be fucking playing games, people need to work more on organizing playing games with other people, weather you ask round yourself or go to admin desk and get them to make announcement over microphone, but respawn cannot be awesome, if we don't make it awesome, respawn is what we make it

Last thing, people should FUCKING CLEAN UP AFTER THEMSELVES, there are bins provided, its not hard to get up and walk over to one, its good to stretch your legs, when your sitting down for a day, cause otherwise the volunteers have to fucking clean up after you, why the fuck should they have to do that, they go to the trouble of making this event possible and by polluting the place, i think just disrespectful

oh and power was awsome, last lan i went bout 100-150 ppl, power went like 2 or 3 times and one off my hdd failed, and i don't know much about hdd fail, but pretty sure it was because of the power, so was good to have power whole time =)

Posted by: lime Jan 19 2009, 11:47 PM

QUOTE (dead_man @ Jan 19 2009, 10:10 PM) *
TF2 didnt end up running unfortunatly due to reason outside of my control, i spoke to several players at the LAN some of who could and some couldnt run TF2 for some reason. apparantly an update of some sort (though this isnt mentioned on steam)

i had this issue of tf2 wanting to update even though it said it was updated 100% and copying over other people GCFs didnt help either.


I didn't notice a tf2 update either while there. I would have been one of those who updated since I had net access and there was probably ~12 people in the server just after 21:00 so there must have been a few of us.
Oh well, thanks for the answer and maybe next time it will work.

Posted by: Tank Jan 19 2009, 11:52 PM

QUOTE (SirSquidness @ Jan 20 2009, 12:32 AM) *
<snip>
A few more small things I've thought of. Constructive criticisms. This post is bound to sound negative, but as per my previous post, it was an aboslutely epicly awesome LAN. But not perfect - there's no such thing as a perfect LAN (maybe when full VR comes along... biggrin.gif )
-Carpet squares across cables really need to have a little bit of tape on them. Almost all of them were completley off the cables they were covering by the end of the LAN. It's a bastard of a job to do when you're flat out and exhausted (been there, done that, drawn substantial blood from trying to do it too quickly), but it is a rather important one, especially when you're running fibre cables around which may get damaged by a high heel/wheelie chair, along with huge bunches of mains cables. Duct tape is cheap and effective.



it's a lot of tape sleep.gif maybe somthing that will get added to the list of things ot think about


QUOTE
-Perhaps have the projector cycling through various information when it's not being used for other stuff, such as upcoming comps, server info (what servers are running. If you can manage it, whcih ones are populated), any other major information (food at xPM, etc). I do really like the idea that was mentioned of spectating a competition. I think I saw Source: TV running on the CS: S server already? Not hard to set up for source servers, anyway. Then when nothing's happening, switch it to Tank's folder of 4000 funny images which he will bring next time tongue.gif


i r a she ^_-

also yea, its another thing we need to get more organised on, haha

QUOTE
If it's possible, some form of coloured lights around would be good. I think someone mentioned it in the IRC channel the night before the LAN. The hall already has stage lighting hung. That probably means there's spare lights around you could hang without screwing up their default lighting layout, and then add coloured gels in. I don't think it's worth paying for though., so only if you can get them off the hall for free already tongue.gif If you got some funky party lights, such as a colour changer / wave effect light / what not, it'd be even better.


i can't explain how much i (perhaps zardoz) would lvoe to do this, however theres quite a few parcans (the ones tha tlook like tin cans) and we simply need the power for pc's. especially when we are trying to cram 350ppl+ in smile.gif


QUOTE
<snip>
That's all from me for now.
Love,
-Sirsquidness
tongue.gif



hugs!

Posted by: TMM Jan 20 2009, 12:28 AM

QUOTE (MiniWalks @ Jan 20 2009, 12:22 AM) *
If that was the case, then how did i answer your question.....

iirc you lifted your headphones briefly, or maybe you didn't and thus didn't understand what was going on (i know for a fact you can't hear shit with Beyer DT770 headphones on) because you pointed in a random direction, i looked but couldn't see deadman and figured you'd played me so i gave you a "o_O" and as i went to walk away the other guy went off his nut.

I never understood what your problem was with me Miniwalks. Ever since i've known who you were you've been an absolute prick towards me. The first time you ever talked to me you walked up to me and shaked my chair violently before saying "hey faggot!" or something along those lines. Maybe you have confused me with someone else you knew previously, i have no idea. I wonder if you have any concept of the english language but last time i checked "hey, FAGGOT!" was not a positive reply to "g'day mini", and i really am baffled as to why you found it necessary to yell out "harden the fuck up for the next LAN, FAGGOT!" as i left the venue, pretty much everyone who heard you yell that out had a completely shocked look on their face, as did I.

It's all extremely bizarre to me.

anyway, you can have the last post just so you can feel like you've won, and make your ego a little bigger because i won't be reading it anyway


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Posted by: neon Jan 20 2009, 01:26 AM

QUOTE (SirSquidness @ Jan 20 2009, 12:32 AM) *
If it's possible, some form of coloured lights around would be good. I think someone mentioned it in the IRC channel the night before the LAN. The hall already has stage lighting hung. That probably means there's spare lights around you could hang without screwing up their default lighting layout, and then add coloured gels in. I don't think it's worth paying for though., so only if you can get them off the hall for free already tongue.gif If you got some funky party lights, such as a colour changer / wave effect light / what not, it'd be even better.


Majority of the lighting in the union hall rig looks to be par64's which are generally 1000w. Im not sure, but im pretty sure that the 3 phase that is used for the dimmer system would probably be unplugged and used for powering part of the lan.
Geeks like dark anyway - having stage lights on would heat the place up very quickly, and be a waste of power also.

Posted by: Tank Jan 20 2009, 01:33 AM

yup; the lighting is one 3pha socket on its own. and we use all we can get for pcs smile.gif
smile.gif

Posted by: eskymobob Jan 20 2009, 01:59 AM

[quote name='Nemesis Hill' date='Jan 20 2009, 12:39 AM' post='3734']

Last thing, people should FUCKING CLEAN UP AFTER THEMSELVES, there are bins provided, its not hard to get up and walk over to one, its good to stretch your legs, when your sitting down for a day, cause otherwise the volunteers have to fucking clean up after you, why the fuck should they have to do that, they go to the trouble of making this event possible and by polluting the place, i think just disrespectful

Always a issue at cleanup on sunday. This time around though bins were bigger maybe?

But the back of the hall was cleaner this event than previous ones, to the people sitting there during the lan and those 2 or 3 guys at the end putting up chairs and cleaning up the little rubbish there was, good work.

For shame: People sitting in the annex..although it wasn't to bad.

Some people on the VIP table up the front, but again not to bad.

All in all people have cleaned up after themselves better, good work.

Posted by: Tank Jan 20 2009, 02:10 AM

also cause i rage cleaned and cleaned all of the rubbish cept for where people were sitting before we started packing up.

those guy at the back were tops
they cleaned up the sundae before i could! biggrin.gif

and yea; fucking gross lanner :'(

Posted by: Glasseater Jan 20 2009, 11:09 AM

just a note one should only expect customer service from someone getting paid its not a job to them they are volunteering there time cut them slack

Posted by: tass Jan 20 2009, 11:56 AM

QUOTE (Glasseater @ Jan 20 2009, 12:09 PM) *
just a note one should only expect customer service from someone getting paid its not a job to them they are volunteering there time cut them slack


they are volunteering to do A JOB which is the same as a JOB where you get paid.

they volunteer because they want to do it not because they are forced.

that doesn't mean that we should expect no customer service from them


what you said makes no sense to me

Posted by: oohms Jan 20 2009, 12:05 PM

Please don't ban 0.306... its the only way someone who forgot to hash files can share em

Posted by: SirSquidness Jan 20 2009, 02:04 PM

QUOTE (tass @ Jan 20 2009, 12:56 PM) *
QUOTE (Glasseater @ Jan 20 2009, 12:09 PM) *
just a note one should only expect customer service from someone getting paid its not a job to them they are volunteering there time cut them slack


they are volunteering to do A JOB which is the same as a JOB where you get paid.

they volunteer because they want to do it not because they are forced.

that doesn't mean that we should expect no customer service from them


what you said makes no sense to me


But at the same time, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try and make their lives easier. They spend their weekend serving us, making sure things run smoothly, organising things. Running a LAN is no small feat, especially one of that size. Cleaning up after yourself takes very little time and effort (not to mention I think it's your own responsibility to clean up after yousrelf), but if 350 people dont' clean up after themselves, then that's a crap load of work for the people packing up that they really don't need/appreciate.

Posted by: SLoV Jan 20 2009, 02:33 PM

QUOTE (TMM @ Jan 20 2009, 01:28 AM) *
QUOTE (MiniWalks @ Jan 20 2009, 12:22 AM) *
If that was the case, then how did i answer your question.....

iirc you lifted your headphones briefly, or maybe you didn't and thus didn't understand what was going on (i know for a fact you can't hear shit with Beyer DT770 headphones on) because you pointed in a random direction, i looked but couldn't see deadman and figured you'd played me so i gave you a "o_O" and as i went to walk away the other guy went off his nut.

I never understood what your problem was with me Miniwalks. Ever since i've known who you were you've been an absolute prick towards me. The first time you ever talked to me you walked up to me and shaked my chair violently before saying "hey faggot!" or something along those lines. Maybe you have confused me with someone else you knew previously, i have no idea. I wonder if you have any concept of the english language but last time i checked "hey, FAGGOT!" was not a positive reply to "g'day mini", and i really am baffled as to why you found it necessary to yell out "harden the fuck up for the next LAN, FAGGOT!" as i left the venue, pretty much everyone who heard you yell that out had a completely shocked look on their face, as did I.

It's all extremely bizarre to me.

anyway, you can have the last post just so you can feel like you've won, and make your ego a little bigger because i won't be reading it anyway


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seriously dude stop trying to find every littile thing to pick on lol , hes says hey faggot to me to some times, i can obviously see hes jokeing maybe you just to stupid too look outside the bigger picture of urself.....

Posted by: tass Jan 20 2009, 02:39 PM

QUOTE (SirSquidness @ Jan 20 2009, 03:04 PM) *
QUOTE (tass @ Jan 20 2009, 12:56 PM) *
QUOTE (Glasseater @ Jan 20 2009, 12:09 PM) *
just a note one should only expect customer service from someone getting paid its not a job to them they are volunteering there time cut them slack


they are volunteering to do A JOB which is the same as a JOB where you get paid.

they volunteer because they want to do it not because they are forced.

that doesn't mean that we should expect no customer service from them


what you said makes no sense to me


But at the same time, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try and make their lives easier. They spend their weekend serving us, making sure things run smoothly, organising things. Running a LAN is no small feat, especially one of that size. Cleaning up after yourself takes very little time and effort (not to mention I think it's your own responsibility to clean up after yousrelf), but if 350 people dont' clean up after themselves, then that's a crap load of work for the people packing up that they really don't need/appreciate.


I agree with that squid. I was polite to the admins the whole time and did clean up after myself wink.gif

Posted by: Tank Jan 20 2009, 03:15 PM

QUOTE (tass @ Jan 20 2009, 03:39 PM) *
QUOTE (SirSquidness @ Jan 20 2009, 03:04 PM) *
QUOTE (tass @ Jan 20 2009, 12:56 PM) *
QUOTE (Glasseater @ Jan 20 2009, 12:09 PM) *
just a note one should only expect customer service from someone getting paid its not a job to them they are volunteering there time cut them slack


they are volunteering to do A JOB which is the same as a JOB where you get paid.

they volunteer because they want to do it not because they are forced.

that doesn't mean that we should expect no customer service from them


what you said makes no sense to me


But at the same time, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try and make their lives easier. They spend their weekend serving us, making sure things run smoothly, organising things. Running a LAN is no small feat, especially one of that size. Cleaning up after yourself takes very little time and effort (not to mention I think it's your own responsibility to clean up after yousrelf), but if 350 people dont' clean up after themselves, then that's a crap load of work for the people packing up that they really don't need/appreciate.


I agree with that squid. I was polite to the admins the whole time and did clean up after myself wink.gif


much love to gamers like you :>

Posted by: dead_man Jan 20 2009, 03:51 PM

QUOTE (tass @ Jan 20 2009, 12:56 PM) *
QUOTE (Glasseater @ Jan 20 2009, 12:09 PM) *
just a note one should only expect customer service from someone getting paid its not a job to them they are volunteering there time cut them slack


they are volunteering to do A JOB which is the same as a JOB where you get paid.

they volunteer because they want to do it not because they are forced.

that doesn't mean that we should expect no customer service from them


what you said makes no sense to me


so, customer service should be perfect all the way through? i have never seen any business or LAN run with perfect customer service.

we dont get paid, we are up all hours trying to make it the best LAN in melb and by most of the replied the guys are doing a damn good job at the same time,

as far as miniwalks calling TMM a fag? i dont know one person he hasnt called a fag (except himself)


Posted by: tass Jan 20 2009, 04:33 PM

QUOTE (dead_man @ Jan 20 2009, 04:51 PM) *
QUOTE (tass @ Jan 20 2009, 12:56 PM) *
QUOTE (Glasseater @ Jan 20 2009, 12:09 PM) *
just a note one should only expect customer service from someone getting paid its not a job to them they are volunteering there time cut them slack


they are volunteering to do A JOB which is the same as a JOB where you get paid.

they volunteer because they want to do it not because they are forced.

that doesn't mean that we should expect no customer service from them


what you said makes no sense to me


so, customer service should be perfect all the way through? i have never seen any business or LAN run with perfect customer service.

we dont get paid, we are up all hours trying to make it the best LAN in melb and by most of the replied the guys are doing a damn good job at the same time,

as far as miniwalks calling TMM a fag? i dont know one person he hasnt called a fag (except himself)


sorry but i didn't read anyone mention "perfect customer service" here

don't take it the wrong way

Posted by: dead_man Jan 20 2009, 05:22 PM

sorry didnt mean any offence, long day at work and aircon is broken.

lets agree to disagree

Posted by: tass Jan 20 2009, 05:55 PM

ill agree to that!!

Posted by: R4N Jan 20 2009, 08:56 PM

Hi.

I think what is needed here is a request thread, so that lanners can give us positive and/or negative feedback and suggestions.

In Reference to Nemesis Hill, V10 was the first lan where i have made a big push for more "funcomps". Funcomps being games that can have 32+ people in them, which are quick and easy to run, and the admins and players can both compete.

HL2DM was one of these and honestly if it wasnt for my own servers being completly stupid and only allowing 16 players, it would have been AWESOME.

So i will be making much MUCH more of that happen from now on

EXPECT TO GAME LOTS AT V11!

In terms of the comments relating to admins giving a level of customer service, The guys that run/help out at respawn lan work pretty much 3 days straight with minimal sleep. If someone got cranky i apologise for that, however its sometimes because one of us or a few of us are just worn out by 3am sunday morning smile.gif

Bad language is offensive to some people i understand completly, however you have to expect a bit from a lan. Its just the way lans work. Being told to "fuck off" is never appropriate however and i will be making sure that front bench admins/gophers know this.

We try our best to give lanners as much help as possible, and we always aim to improve this with every lan.

So we will work on ways to make it easier for lanners to identify each admin/gophers role, so its easy for you to find the right person to ask questions.


I am closing this thread at this point, and will open a new request thread where lanners/gophers/admins/anyone can post requests or give us feedback!

It was an awesome lan people and i hope the next one will be twice as awesome!!!

R4N




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